help please:)

[lalou]

I'm trying to tat Rose Rogers, Rose's Round Robin doily, each round is tatted by a different tatter.
my question is they used a size 8 Perle and i am trying a size 20 cotton (Lizbeth) an my center ring wants to cup:( please tell me what to do? do i add more ds or do i make my picots larger? or do i switch threads to match their's ? ( i should be able to use any threads to tat different patterns) i've never had anything cup on me before, what am i doing wrong? check my needle size and that's not the problem:( (brain malfunction at the moment) help!

[Ridgewoman]

You can either add stitches or make the connecting picots longer (but that changes the look on some motif). If you want joins that hardly show, larger picots don't work.
You may have to add stitches since perele 8 is a bit larger as well as softer. there are other ways to make up the difference and I'm sure a needle tatter would be of more help to you. I don't needle tat...soooo hugs, B.

[Judy]

A few more questions before diagnosis: You're starting at the center, right? Since a single ring is not apt to cup, you must have a ring/chain/ring/chain.center with connections or a ring/ring/ring/ring connecting alternate rings that's trying to cup. Or is it something else? Clovers? If you tried to iron it flat, can you tell where its pulling? (don't iron., just examine it) Does it look like there are too many stitches in the center, or not enough on the outside? Or does it look like there are too few, and the outside bulges up?How severe is the problem? As soon as you add a stitch in one of the rings or chains, you'd have to add one in each of the other rings or chains, and that could add a lot. It could also throw the stitch symmetry off. If its not too severe, you might add a half stitch at the beginning and end instead of adding a full stitch someplace awkward.

[Sonja]

I made that one also in different tread, but had no problem (shuttle tatting)

[lalou]

the center is rings only, the second round is chain with small picot, then ring, then chain etc. It's where the chain attaches to the first round (center) that starts to cup:( the rings on the second round lay flat its the chains that looks to long.
I will look up the pattern and post the site for you all to see.

[Judy]

Good, that will help. Photos, too. I'm sure its frustrating, but persist!

[lalou]

hope this gets you to the site http://web.archive.org/web/20010629023655/msnhomepages.talkcity.com/HobbyCt/rmm.

[lalou]

ok that did not work, Sonja do you have a picture in your album of this doily?

[ashicka]

I have a couple questions:
First, is this the pattern?
http://digilander.libero.it/chiacchierino/variation%20on%20rmm.html
Are you reversing work after at each ring? If you are, that might be part of the problem.
Second, are you leaving space at the center?
Are you making the center picot long or just large enough to join to? It doesnt make sense for it to be cupping where the chain joins unless you have a very tight chain or join to start with. Maybe doing that last ring in the center as a split ring and climbing out that way?

[carolivy]

Ooooh, what a beautiful doily! Thank you for that link! ;-)

[lalou]

thank you ashicka, that is the doily i speak of. the link i have is no longer avaible. i will try the split ring and make my picots a little larger:)
i sat and reread the pattern again thinking i am doing something wrong, i guess just to eager!

[ashicka]

I'm going to try working up that first round today, see if I can figure it out. This is actually one I've been wanting to do for a while, I have this really creamy old thread I picked up at the thrifing store that will be perfect for this. And yes, thats right. I get thread at the thrift store. There is some lovely woman somewhere who has been helping my stash grow for years now. Unfortunately I have NO idea what any of it is.....

[carolivy]

I have started working the doily as well! I am working on round 2 which is rather interesting done with the Needle!

[lalou]

please let me know how the doily is coming out for you carol, i went to a larger size thread and did the split ring in the center and larger picots, so far so good:)
ashicke let me know how you do with this doily, please ( do you needle or shuttle tat?)
thank you for the help and suggestions:)

[madhur]

Nancy, just e mailed you an alternative solution to your problem. Could not upload the pic here.

[carolivy]

I am a Needle Tatter. The way I read the directions for the first row, it was basically 6 rings right in a row with no joining except where they all met at the beginning of the ring. I did have trouble getting one ring to lay down, but working the next row is making it "behave" If you send me your email address (in a PM) I will send you photos of the work in progress. :-)