joinings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ginchic]

when i want to join a chain in a mock pickot below how must i do that?
when in the last ring you must join the last picot,i still don't get it right,i don't know where to find the information and most of the time my pieces are nice until that point of the last joinings, please help me!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Susan B T]

The mock picot below is done with a down join. This is usually will lock the stitch, it will not move. These two sites show locked joins.

http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2001/shtljoin.html

http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2/joins.html

This site is in Japanese but the pictures are great for showing the last join,

http://teaange.hp.infoseek.co.jp/tatting/tattingf.htm

If these do not answer your question. Let us know.

[PattyD]

Joining a chain in a mock picot is probably the end of the last chain to finish a piece. (Is this what you mean?) What I do is cut the shuttle thread, leaving about a foot of thread, and take it from front to back through the picot, then knot it with the working thread from the ball or second shuttle. Cut the ball thread about a foot long and the weave the ends through the caps of the finished work.


For the join of the last ring to the first ring of a circle of rings, I recommend Linda Davies video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELbqfybMqVU) as an excellent method.

[ginchic]

Joining a chain in a mock picot is probably the end of the last chain to finish a piece. (Is this what you mean?) What I do is cut the shuttle thread, leaving about a foot of thread, and take it from front to back through the picot, then knot it with the working thread from the ball or second shuttle. Cut the ball thread about a foot long and the weave the ends through the caps of the finished work.


For the join of the last ring to the first ring of a circle of rings, I recommend Linda Davies video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELbqfybMqVU) as an excellent method.

thanks for this, i tried this and this is working but what i mean is not the end of a piece but like when you make a rose, where the chain is in the first round, must in the next round also a chain and this is for the complete round, chain followed by a small picot and chain followed by a small picot, next 4 rounds, chain join in sp,sp,chain,join in sp ,sp complete round

[ginchic]

http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo272/RogerL_02/Needle%20Tatting%202/TAR%20DOILIES/CenterMotif1a.gifthis is what i mean

[PattyD]

Aha! Ring to ring is a cap to cap join. Chain over chain is a core to cap join. There are two choices.

1. A Lock Join (which may be what you have been trying to do)

Pull up a loop of the core thread through the picot below. Now I enlarge the size of the loop. I determine which side goes back the previous work by pulling on the loop and seeing which side does not have any slack. Put the base of the loop securely in the pinch and slowly pull the core thread to reduce the loop. When the loop is about to close, make sure that the loop hasn't wiggled loose and tighten it if it has. Then finish tightening the join.

If for some reason, you don't like the look of the join, here's how to undo a lock join:

First, put the completed work on the left in the pinch and pull back on the join. This will produce a little slack on the left side of the join.
Take your crochet hook and put it through the picot from front to back. Hook onto that little bit of slack and pull it back through the picot. You may have to "encourage" the join to relax a bit by wiggling or in the last resort insert a pin in the locked loop to get some breathing space. Eventually you will be able to pull the loop up again and re-tighten the join.

2. What is known as the Dora Young Knot.

This requires that the working thread be on a shuttle, not on the ball. Bring up a loop of the working thread (not the core thread). Be sure that the core thread is lying on top of the picot so that the working thread will go around it. Then take shuttle 2 (working thread) through the loop, but do not tighten yet. Now take shuttle 2, back through the space under the working thread to the left of the loop. Pull gently to tighten. This makes a slight dip in the line of the work which should be quite nice in the rose sort of pattern.

[AnneB]

I take it you have finished the ring, made a mock pikot and then are about to finish the first row of chanis? You join to the mock ring the same way as you joined to the vsp on the ring; by using a lock join.

All though it is not specified in the pattern, you can climb out between rows using a mock picot.

[gahorsley]

the Linda Davies video is good. I just wish she were sitting beside me here on my sofa to help this "hands on" learner.

[squeeky]

I've been trying to get an onion ring and a rosette done. No matter what I do, the joins at the end of the ring/row/whatever always look bad. I've been waffling between cutting the threads to make the join nice and tight or pulling up the core thread, putting the shuttle through it, then tightening it up but making sure I don't make that bit of chain too short so that it looks so obvious. The only upside to the latter method is it puts me in a good place to start another row or put a stem on. Still, it's not as nice and neat looking as I'd like. Guess I need to head back to the OTC to get this worked out.

Maybe I should take the whole beginner's course again. I missed a lesson or two and it's starting to show. :blush:

[PattyD]

Well, squeeky, this isn't exactly a beginner's course item, which might cover the lock join, but that's about it.

[Ridgewoman]

Sharon Briggs has a great tutorial on her site for doing rosettes...helped me a great deal back in the day