How many passes make a cluney?

[Denise]

Hello, it's really far too late at night to be learning something new, but you know how it is :) I've just been watching (and re-watching) Elisadusud's cluney video (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2w9sj_frivolite-le-point-d-esprit-premier_creation), and you know what? I've actually got it!

I wont lie, my cluneys aren't *great* (all two of them) but I definitely think its worth persevering with. The video is really helpful.

But - as someone with no cluney patterns to hand, how many passes or rows do most people make their cluneys? Does it say in the pattern, or do you just choose whatever suits you and looks nice?

Sorry if this is a silly question! And thank you in advance.

[shannon_in_love]

usually it will say in the pattern. like "cluny 12" means 12 passes. maybe they will tell you right in the beginning like 'note: all clunys will be 15 passes.' something like that

[PattyD]

Regardless of what the pattern says, as you gain experience with your clunies, you will decide on how many passes to do. For instance, are all the clunies the same size? If not, how much difference is there between the sizes? Also, a pass means the combination of a right to left pass with its mate of left to right.

I don't know if Elisa's video includes how to shape the cluny. I learned clunies in bobbin lace and here is the shaping info I learned.

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The little figure above shows a triangle, a square and another triangle.
The first triangle starts at a point. Close the weaving to make a point. Then gradually increase the width of each pass by the width of the thread on each side.
The square in the middle is what creates the illusion of a curve in the cluny. Keep the width the same size as the last pass of the first triangle.
Finally, to finish the shape, reduce the width of each pass (an equal number to the first triangle) by the width of the thread on each side. When it comes to a point again. The weaving is complete.

I always end with a half of a pass ending on the left side. Before I take the extra thread out to finish the cluny, I put the weaving thread firmly in the pinch, so it doesn't wiggle loose. This helps a lot with keeping a good point at the end of the cluny.

[HJ Hess]

ElisaduSud's work is breathtaking.
Maybe one day I will slow down enough to practice.
Good luck!
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[Denise]

Thanks everyone!
Patty, that's really useful - both about the shaping and the bit at the end. I guess with the shaping, when you know how many passes you're doing you can plan the number with that diagram in mind and make it a bit more even. Also, it's a good point about the pinch and the half pass - they've been a bit of a mess at the end so far!