SCMR

[sweetpea1077]

Could someone point out a site/video that shows how to do the SCMR in great detail? I was looking at one site but it totally reminded me of a regular ring. :flowers:

Thanks so much!

[Sherongb]

Actually with needle tatting you are usually making a SCMR. Basically with shuttle tatting one thread is used for both the core of the ring and for forming the stitches. For needle tatting you are using one thread to form the stitches and a second thread (or end of thread) to pull through and be the core of the ring, pulling the core thread through a loop at the beginning of the group of stitches so it is pulled into a chain shape.

So don't worry about 'learning' something you are already doing with needle tatting.

[Lynn]

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MINZX1DISk) is a video. Jon Yusof (http://tatsaway.blogspot.com/2008/05/how-to-make-mock-ring.html) has a great tutorial on her blog. If you need more help, post again.

[carolivy]

Jon's tuts are great for learning the SCMR with the shuttle! I wrap the core thread around my thumb before I make the wrap for the wring so I have some thread to pull back out to slip my shuttle through and it works great!

[Judy]

After puttering around with a shuttle for a couple of months, I've gone back to the needle with a new "tool" in my box. I thought (wrongly) that with the needle you did all Chains and Rings using the same method, except for floating and split ring. Hello, duh! Now, when I do clovers, or even single rings, I have a choice. I can make them the traditional needle way, or the shuttle way, or a combination. I actually think I prefer not using SCMR, but standard shuttle rings, since when you resume with the chain you can close up the point where the three rings meet as you pull the ball thread for the first chain stitch after the clover.

[BlueDode]

sweetpea1077:

If you are using Barbara Foster's needle tatting books as a reference, the ring made using the "Ring and Thread" method is equivalent to a ring in shuttle tatting; the ring made using the "Ring and Chain" method is equivalent to the SCMR.

The R&T ring is made with the needle thread (equivalent to the shuttle thread); the R&C ring is made using both the needle and shuttle threads.

How's that for enough doubletalk to drive people crazy?

[crazytatter]

oh yeah it sure muddled me up. Good thing the library has contacted me about my request for Barbara Foster book being ready to pick up, I can see for myself exactly what you are talking about.:huh:

[sweetpea1077]

sweetpea1077:

If you are using Barbara Foster's needle tatting books as a reference, the ring made using the "Ring and Thread" method is equivalent to a ring in shuttle tatting; the ring made using the "Ring and Chain" method is equivalent to the SCMR.

The R&T ring is made with the needle thread (equivalent to the shuttle thread); the R&C ring is made using both the needle and shuttle threads.

How's that for enough doubletalk to drive people crazy?

I think now I am going to have to see if I can get that book from the library!

[Judith Connors]

Needle tatters have used the Central Mock Ring (CMR) for years. It starts off the centre of medallions and lies very flat. Most rings in needle tatting are mock rings, too. The CMR has been around for over 100 years. Elgiva Nicholls illustrated it in her books in 1975.
The term SCMR (self-closing mock ring) was coined in the mid-1990s, but is just a 'new' name for something that tatters have used for a century or so.

[Sunny_0ne]

As a new needle tatter, I am delighted to hear that I have been doing a SCMR all along! I was seriously avoiding any pattern that had one in it because I thought it was far beyond my capabilities!

You don't know how happy that makes me! :D

[Lynn]

In another thread PattyD talked about information you know coming at you sideways in a new form. This is a very good illustration of that point. Guess it should be a lesson to all of us to look not at what any particular book or author calls something, but to look at the way it is done before deciding if we need to learn a new technique or not.

[Sunny_0ne]

I had learned enough on the net reading instructions and videos for needle tatting that I didn't think I needed Barbara Foster's very basic book. But I was having problems with reversing my work, so I decided to go ahead and spend the money for the book anyway.

I discovered I had been picking up small bad habits on my own, and her book got me back on the right track. I consider it money well spent, even though it is a beginner-beginner's book.

[rain]

I agree, I had it one time many many moons ago and it got lost somewhere, so when I started tatting again (i go through different crafty stages) I couldnt remember much but did it on my own my way and then I decided to get the book again just to make sure I was doing it right.... well safe to say..... I was doing much of it wrong lol.. I also wanted to make sure I had the book to help my daughter learn. I love how the pics are in it. Very easy to use and learn from.

[PattyD]

Well, please remember that in order to NOT confuse new tatters, beginner books tend to be rather imperative. "Do it this way" and no other way is mentioned. But that is mostly to get people started and not have their brain explode. Tatting is a lace of small differences and we each have our own way of getting things done. Don't be too hard on yourself if you no longer do it exactly as written in the book. I would feel like I was wearing a straight jacket if I only tatted as written in a book. Beginner books are one way to do it and usually a good way, but not necessarily the only way to do anything. If you are happy with your tatting, then it's good.

[Judith Connors]

Good to know! Remember the adage: 'Everything old is new again.'
This happens all the time.