A couple of months ago 'Ray' asked a question of Roz about using frames or hoops and laying tools. I responded with an answer that is in today's Nordic Needle Newsletter #292 with a picture of my Unity Candle from our wedding with its ribbons from the AZ State Fair. I sent other pics but I think Roz partly chose this one since she designed the pattern. Several years ago I was their featured stitcher. I know that some of you buy some tatting supplies there as well so maybe you get their newsletters.